DEFCON is (and is advertised as) a hacker conference. The difference is that unlike, say, Black Hat or RSA, DEFCON is not a security conference. > If you're at a conference, you're there amongst your peers and colleagues, there is a certain level of respect and decorum that I would like to assume would be present amongst a community that aspires at least to some modicum of collegiality. just a bunch of nerdy, socially awkward guys trying (and failing) to pick up women.
Sure, it's difficult because many of these "hackers" are severely lacking in the "social skills" department, but walking up to a woman and grabbing her boobs is going to get you slapped and probably arrested. And that is the line I think we need to draw.
Now, when we're talking about disgusting, incessant harassment, that's different. Las Vegas is a dirty, "sinful" place, and any moderately attractive woman going out to a bar or club there is going to get hit on. Yes, it's hackers, and you'd maybe expect better behavior (unless you've been to a lot of these things), but is the behavior worse than any other night club? I'm not a lady, but based on what I've heard, not really. and what with BSides and DEFCON, we were there a week.īut here's the thing: girls are going to get hit on at a drunken Black Hat party at PURE just as much as they'd get hit on at a drunken normal night party at PURE. My understand is that it's not an altogether pleasant experience for a non-totally-nerdy girl to spend any length of time at security conferences. Her ass was grabbed several times at DEFCON events. Mostly by drunk, smelly guys, and then proceeds to tell me how much it sucks. I'm always hesitant to bring my fiancee to hacker conferences, but she wants to support me and understand "what I do," so she has been to DEFCON the past three years. I could make my life miserable by thinking about the millions of jerks out there, but why bother? I can only say it works well for me: I hardly ever encounter jerks, and I don't think any of my friends would grope women in a bar. But you can not convert any and all environments, or at least, if you want to try, good luck! I don't think jerks can be eradicated. Personally I probably wouldn't enjoy Reddit either because of the jerks. If Reddit doesn't work out that way, perhaps don't hang out on Reddit? That is what I mean by avoiding jerks. I don't understand your issue with the voting: this is Hacker News, and the offending comment was quickly removed.
But it is a biological reality that at least men have to do a lot of approaching, and women will not always like it (it shouldn't be groping, but I hope you get the idea). That doesn't excuse disrespectful behavior, of course. Men are pretty worthless biologically (simply because it takes less men than women to create lots of children). Women are "the price" and hence men have to hunt after them. Unfortunately I think it is partly in the nature of things. I understand how it can be uncomfortable to be desired by a stranger. But after a while you can learn, and occasionally you get a homosexual approach. It's true that from the beginning men don't understand the problem. Also I think for the groping incident it was pointed out that it is illegal, so I suppose had the groper been known, there would have been consequences already. Obviously would I encounter unpleasant behavior towards women, it would be a different thing. I don't grope random girls in bars, so I have no idea how I am supposed to react to your post. However calling out men really does nothing. Getting your ass squeezed doesn't sound so innocent now does it?Īs I said, I understand defending your turf (ie your job, online community, whatever). You'll see sexual harassment and rape in a whole new light after watching that video.
Men aren't frightened of such events because they'll probably never experience them.Įnjoy. From "innocent" ass grabbings to brutal rape. It isn't until men themselves feel vulnerable and dominated that they realize what an awful feeling it is to be invaded, harassed, or threatened sexually. It's hard for males (me included) sometimes to relate to sexism (think of all the women in tech articles we've debated) or sexual harassment because we're not on the menu. " I think this chick should lighten up personally." It's one thing to talk about sexism vaguely and broadly and another to actually tell the stories. It actually had examples and those are the best weapon women have against sexism/sexual harassment.
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